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Not an easy job by Skystalker Not an easy job by Skystalker
Something I've been meaning to do for a while now!

Being an artist can be fun and rewarding, but this does not make it in any way easy. Even for those just doing it as a hobby, it can be very tricky to make things how you want them to be! We don't just magically get some talent within a few days of doing it; many of us have spent YEARS, maybe even most of our lives, just getting to where we are now!

So if someone tells you $5-$10 is too much for a commission, you can kindly give them the birdie. (Or if you feel especially angry, THE DOUBLE BIRDIE.)

(Note: This applies to all art forms; literature, poetry, sculpting, animating, etc etc)

This can also be a nice reminder to those struggling to learn...It's okay. :) Again, it's not easy! Just keep at it!
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Randamu-Chan Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
So true
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LittleGreenGamer Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Tell me about it. I'm sick of all these fucking elitists who think art is supposed to be 150% perfect. I only make artwork in a hurry so nobody will beat me to my ideas, therefore I'm better at quantity than quality. If I made any typos, it's because I'm too fed up with everyone and everything to even think right now. 
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spycat109 Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Great stamp! ^^
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BatmanCupcakes Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013
A girl in my class made a speech about how artists have "the easy life" and never feel pain, or disappointment. She said they never feel a softball to the head, or the disappointment of loosing a game. My speech was next. I said "Artists feel way worse than a softball to the head. We have the feeling that we can't be the best artist. Sure, you can kick a ball, throw a ball, hit a ball, or catch a ball. But some Artists can't paint, but they can sketch like pros." She then stood up and called me lazy, with no respect for athletes. I replied "Well you're a girl who really needs to show some creativity and who's just another softball player with no respect for artists." She then sat down and never spoke another word that day.
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Maddie2022 Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2014
Bravo. :clap: This is true. It's hard to be an artist because it takes imagination, and creativity. It also means to practice to make it perfect, and that isn't easy. It takes time to make it look perfect.
Who really needs sports when you can actually enjoy yourself with some creativity and imagination. :nod:
All it really takes, is your creativity and imagination.
There's no limit for that. :)
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Zeekishly Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Bravo
Bravo!
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BatmanCupcakes Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013
Thank you!
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Zeekishly Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You ma'am, are welcome.
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Night-Faun Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconbunnyclapplz: :iconclapplz:
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BatmanCupcakes Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013
Thank you, thank you, the detention was worth the look on her face.
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Night-Faun Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
And so, I present you with this :iconfreeinternetplz: You have just one a magical world called, the internet.
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BatmanCupcakes Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013
Best gift ever.
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bandittriggerhappy Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
:icontruestoryplz:
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QuantumInnovator Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012
No argument there.
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GoombellaFan Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's true that's true, really. It's never easy for me. I want to become something more with art instead just sitting there.
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Lollergator Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2011  Student Digital Artist
I find your statement rather contradicting and frustrating. For one thing, if art to you is a personal hobby and NOT a job, you are less inclined to demand such high prices for your work. As I'm sure you are aware, the art field is INCREDIBLY competitive, especially on a website like DA (I like to think of it as a baker offering bread to other bakers). Even the most talented artists I know have to lower their prices just to face the competition. Secondly, if your art is not popular, it is not in nearly as high in demand. And just because something isn't easy doesn't mean it's that much more valuable; the customer doesn't want to buy your effort if it isn't evident in the outcome. For someone who has not mastered even the basic rules of art, like proportion, shading, correct use of light sources, perspective, etc., they have no place demanding such high prices for their artwork. Furthermore, they have no place to demand it with such a "fuck you" attitude. As a competing artist, I can honestly say that I find it unnerving and offensive. I see much more popular, talented artists asking for the same prices on their art as you do. I'm happy for you that you can feel proud and confident about your work, but every artist reaches a point where they need to be honest and humble them self if they ever hope to market their art.

I'm sorry if any of this hurt your feelings or crumpled your enthusiasm, but I wouldn't say it if I didn't know you were adamant about improving and getting serious with your art. I know you can take my advice in stride, even if it is a little hard to swallow.
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Skystalker Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2011  Student Digital Artist
I find your statement rather contradicting and frustrating. For one thing, if art to you is a personal hobby and NOT a job, you are less inclined to demand such high prices for your work. As I'm sure you are aware, the art field is INCREDIBLY competitive, especially on a website like DA (I like to think of it as a baker offering bread to other bakers). Even the most talented artists I know have to lower their prices just to face the competition.

There are incredibly talented artists on DA lowering their prices to below even a dollar (via points). With these artists, many commissioners are EXPECTING hard work to be put up for this low of money. A lot of people are desperate to get a little extra crash for emergencies, even those who may do it for a hobby (Hobby =/= Less talented, btw). Is it fair to have people expect to get that kind of work, that kind of time, for that kind of money, even if it's not in everyone's budget? It's like offering to build a simple but great website for $10, even though it's worth well into the hundreds.

Secondly, if your art is not popular, it is not in nearly as high in demand. And just because something isn't easy doesn't mean it's that much more valuable; the customer doesn't want to buy your effort if it isn't evident in the outcome. For someone who has not mastered even the basic rules of art, like proportion, shading, correct use of light sources, perspective, etc., they have no place demanding such high prices for their artwork.

I agree that someone who does not have the skill shouldn't charge like $50 for their work, but is $5-$10 really that expensive or 'high priced'? It's a simple matter of saying "Yes, I'll pay the price", or "No" and move on. The artist charging the price isn't some money grubber trying to force money out of people. What is wrong with them charging their own prices? Either they make money or they don't.

I certainly cannot consider myself a professional, BUT I have still gotten commissioned by four people, and one of those WELL over just $10. :) If someone is willing to pay the price for my artwork, even if they can get better for the same price, why stop them, or tell someone like me to charge even less? There are some who have been paid more than me who may have just been starting out! There are people who are willing to buy someone's artistic abilities because again, it's not easy. Fixing a car isn't easy. Cooking a five star meal isn't easy. Sculpting isn't easy. There's a lot of things that aren't easy that people are not willing to learn or do themselves, so what do they do? They pay for it!


Furthermore, they have no place to demand it with such a "fuck you" attitude. As a competing artist, I can honestly say that I find it unnerving and offensive. I see much more popular, talented artists asking for the same prices on their art as you do. I'm happy for you that you can feel proud and confident about your work, but every artist reaches a point where they need to be honest and humble them self if they ever hope to market their art.

"Fuck you" attitude? The birdie thing was thrown in as a joke. :lol: I'm sorry if that offended you so much, but I figured it was obvious most people would understand I didn't literally mean to flip someone off for saying their prices were unfair. I understand you've seen popular artists lower their prices. I've also seen popular artists up their prices sky high. I've seen unpopular artists up their prices sky high. I've seen all sorts of skill levels with all sorts of prices. Ultimately <it>it is the artists choice what their art is worth.</i> If they don't get business, they will make the choice to either lower the costs, advertise themselves better, or improve their artwork so people may be more willing to pay.

'm sorry if any of this hurt your feelings or crumpled your enthusiasm, but I wouldn't say it if I didn't know you were adamant about improving and getting serious with your art. I know you can take my advice in stride, even if it is a little hard to swallow.

No feelings hurt! :) You could never crumple my enthusiasm to learn, or to encourage people not to undervalue their work. Nothing in this world can. Not you, not anyone. I understand where you are coming from with your points, but understand I am not advocating artists to be DICKS about their work. (I have seen enough of that.) I'm telling people not to undervalue their work just because some punk kids want it for free.

I will say it again to make it clear: The point of this stamp, and the words I say, are to have people understand that what they got, even if they're just starting out, is not something everyone can do, and that yes, some people are willing to pay them. I don't believe that artists should work for free (aside from charity; I don't believe in that 'getting your name out there' BS unless it's for a company or something.), and if you think $5-$10 for someone below my skill level is too much, then I'm afraid that's where we differ, Bul.
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BambooFoxFire Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2013  Student Filmographer
Amen. The number of times I've wanted to slap someone because they wanted art and basically told me to go fuck myself because I wouldn't give it to them for absolutely free(when I was only asking a few dollars too, like 5 dollars. And this was in real life) and that it was "Too expensive, why should they have to pay for it?". Sometimes they even throw in there that "It's not that hard" just because I'm practiced at it and make it look easy on the surface(to the untrained eye anyway, a real artist that's well-versed in the field could probably knock me on my ass telling me everything I'm doing wrong xD), when I've been drawing since before I was old enough to remember it.

Actually the other day I saw a cartoon drawing of a guy going to his boss with a design.
The Boss questions: "Why should I pay you for something you drew in 10 minutes?"
The reply was: "Because I spent ten years learning how to draw it in ten minutes."
The artwork itself or the time it tooks looks easy when you don't take into account how long it took to get to that level in the first place. And frankly it's rather sickening and humiliating for the artists that get put down like that, with the attitude a lot of people have towards art.
YES, it's competative, that doesn't mean it's worth any less or takes any less effort, skill, and experience to do art(whether it be drawing, writing, sculpting, cooking, working on cars, architecture, or whatever else)

If people want art there's always one ultimatum I basically give them: Pay fairly for it or go learn to draw their own damn selves :lol: Because obviously since it's just so easy, then by that logic they should have no problems doing it themselves if they want free art.

Becuase, y'know, obviously it's "Not that hard".
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Skystalker Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2011  Student Digital Artist
Oop, HTML goof up there. XD Oh well
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SoulFire-Dragon Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I never get ANY commission requests to do... so yeah, it's not easy. I've even lowered the price down drastically and I sill get NO commissions to do D:
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Skystalker Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2011  Student Digital Artist
D: You just gotta get yourself out there and update as much as possible. Have you tried the Job Services forum here on DA? Also various Commission groups?
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SoulFire-Dragon Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
no ^^;;; maybe that's the reason why lol
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Skystalker Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2011  Student Digital Artist
XD You really gotta sell yourself, girl! I have my link in my sig, I have a journal written out, I posted in the forums, I even advertised on Tumblr! I've gotten a couple, but that's better than none! :D Don't be shy! Get out there!
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SoulFire-Dragon Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
thanks for the advice ^^ I appreciate it!
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Skystalker Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2011  Student Digital Artist
No prob! :aww:
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SoulFire-Dragon Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:3
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AnnaIdhunita Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
So true. :D
Sometimes, you spend lots of time on something for someone, and then you give it to them, and just because it's not like "professionals" do it, they're like... "meh, thanks... I guess". D:
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Skystalker Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2011  Student Digital Artist
Oh my goodness I hate that. D: I have gotten gifts from people who are just beginning drawing, and I always give them tons of praise! They've taken time out of their lives to give ME something. That alone is just amazing!
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AnnaIdhunita Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, exactly! Even if it's not awsome, they've taken some time to do it, and thought about you. That's worth saying thank you for. ^^
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Que-ink Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Nice stamp and nice description. :salute:
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Skystalker Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2011  Student Digital Artist
Thank you! :salute:
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FantasticRandomDays Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2011
For me, it isn't easy. I mean my art is just basic. I want to learn good effects on how allot of the popular artists make their art. But the sad thing is... THE ART TOOLS THEY USE I am 16 and needs a job so I can buy the supplies I want. Prisma colored pencils is on my list.
But yes, art isn't easy. But I have one watcher whos draws stuff in less than one hour. It's amazing. If you want to know who she is note me. ( not bashing her. I love her art. )
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Skystalker Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2011  Student Digital Artist
There's a saying out there, my friend, that holds a lot of truth. :D

If you can make something amazing out of the most basic of tools, then you can do anything.

There's like 500 variations of the saying but I believe in it 100%. If one can make a stunning portrait with a number 2 pencil on some plain white paper and nothing more (no fancy pencils, no kneaded erasers, no blendy tools other than your finger), then the fancier tools will just help. :nod: It doesn't take them to be a better artist, but darn do they help with things!

I'm fairly fast myself! :D I know a couple of people who are extremely fast artists as well. Everyone draws at different paces. :aww:
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FantasticRandomDays Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2011
True, I use GIMP with line art or I just use whatever I can find. I would like some advanced stuff too. :3 I am slow. D: Yes, a slow drawer, well, depends on what I am drawing.
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Skystalker Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2011  Student Digital Artist
:D My buddy :icontwilight-silvermoon: is a slow artist as well! But she still has real good quality work. :la: I actually envy those who can slow down. XD The downside to speed is I'm often too impatient/lazy to sit and work for hours and hours. ^^;
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FantasticRandomDays Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2011
she is good. :3
I know how you feel. I liek skechtes, but allot of people are kind of picky on art. :S
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Skystalker Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2011  Student Digital Artist
Shoot, sketches can be more fluid and alive than finished works! :D They need more love I tell ya.
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FantasticRandomDays Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2011
yes! I have seen allot of good sketches, only to have a minimal amount of favs and views. :<
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